Sober . . . is the wrong way to score a debate, Razor. I appreciate your analysis, but when were these things ever won or lost on debating points? Reagan wasn't exactly playing the policy wonk when he said "There you go again!" to Carter. As I mentioned below, having the better debating style was no help to Gore in 2000. This is all about intangibles. As a debate, yes, Kerry won. But both men trod water for 90 minutes. If Kerry gains, it will be a blip, about enough to steal the last of Bush's convention bounce. That's all.